Here’s my Trump-ence worth.

by Anna Raccoon on November 21, 2016

trumpclinton2Tell you what. I’ll tell you how I see it, and you can spend the rest of the day arguing about who’s right.

See, in the beginning there was only ‘todger’ based rights. The law of the animal kingdom. You protect the fruit of your loins. Your children, your wider family, your tribe, your village, your town, your nation. It’s very simple; anything comes over the palisade that is likely to harm them or steal their food or water – you shoot it. No moral quandary whatsoever.

Over the centuries, we have installed systems to deal with this problem. You can liken those systems to Doctors dealing with the human body. They are there to preserve life and do no harm – but they have no moral quandary about killing innocent viruses and bacteria. None whatsoever….

‘We are not animals’ claimed the intellectuals! ‘We are human beings, we have a higher intellectual purpose in life’. They decreed that we are all equal. A global community. Share and share alike. There is nothing wrong with that. It is a perfectly valid thesis that I have every sympathy with. It is ridiculous that the precise spot on the planet where you were born, or the colour of your skin, or your religion should have any bearing on your right to exist.

Trouble is, we didn’t actually switch from one system to the other. We left the ‘Doctor’ – code for our systems of government, finance, territory, you name it – in the position of having to equally uphold the right of the virus and the bacteria to co-exist in the human body. You’ve just screwed the system of deciding what is right and what is wrong. That is my simplistic way of looking at the world today.

Trump, to me, represents the voice of ‘todger’ based systems. Clinton represented the voice of ‘intellectual’ systems. They are both perfectly valid methods of dealing with the world. There are winners and losers with both systems. I don’t have a problem with either – but you can’t have the two operating at the same time. Chaos results.

I’ve been watching Adam Curtis’ latest offering. I confess he wasn’t my favourite person for a long time. I put in a lot of leg work to help him – and then Yentob lost his job, and Adam went underground never to be heard of again. I take back everything I thought – he went underground and produced one of the most remarkable, far sighted, pieces of analysis I have ever seen. He certainly hasn’t been idle, nor has he been waylaid by any of the fleas on the rabid dog’s back….he has produced an incredible piece of work which was snuck onto iPlayer without fanfare, listed simply as ‘adam curtis’. It is almost 3 hours long, and took me three showings before I began to understand it. Personally I think it should be shown on peak time, on every channel, until the whole world gives in and understands that their ‘special interest’ that they are devoted to defending, is so very puny in the grand scheme of things. We are all citizens of a global world. Whether Adam is right or wrong, and I am torn over individual items, he makes you think, and lift your head above the swamp for a few hours….do find time to watch it.

Planet Earth too. Glorious. An incredible piece of work. A reminder of how simple and uncomplicated life is in the animal kingdom.

Only 15 days left to watch Storyville on Weiner. A brilliant fly on the wall documentary, as the media takes a man with an amusing name capable of many puns, a thoroughly competent and capable legislator who does a lot of good in life, a happy marriage and a good father, an admitted bad mistake, and manages to reduces that to a broken marriage, a fatherless child, a competent employee lost – whilst elevating a tattooed would be celebrity to the moral high ground, selling lots of newspapers in the process, and oodles of tv time.  Educational as to how our minds and emotions are manipulated…(see adam curtis above!)

Well, you didn’t think I spent all day on here did you? I’ve got a perfectly good bed a merely 15′ away. I’m going back there right now. To watch Rich Halls’ ‘Presidential Grudge Match’ – I’m told it’s rather good.

So, Trump or Clinton, and how does the world switch from one system to the other without killing too many people. Or should it even be trying to?

 Edited to add: Rats. I did it again. Forgot to open comments. Sorry. 

Mrs Grimble November 21, 2016 at 12:51 pm

Oooh, political stuff now! What on earth is Mr G feeding you – and can he send me some?
For a long time I’ve resisted watching anything by Adam Curtis, almost entirely because links to his stuff keep getting posted by the type of people who usually post links to videos that promise to “SHOW YOU the DARK TRUTH behind the MATRIX!!!”. And I’m allergic to watching factual videos anyway – I’d far rather read a book, or text on screen, to learn stuff. But as you who’s recommending it, I’ll at least give it a go.

Stay well!

Alexander Baron November 21, 2016 at 12:52 pm

Billionaire Trump represents the common man; Crooked Hillary represents the establishment. Check out this speech by insider Dick Morris;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rpe1O-k77Go&t=816s

Mudplugger November 21, 2016 at 1:01 pm

That’s similar to my reading – Mr Silent Majority has had enough of feeling his preferred existence is being threatened on many fronts, so he’s appointed a differently-focused ‘doctor’ to eradicate those things which he feels are compromising his preferred state. That includes immigrants, noisy minority interest groups, the interfering nanny state etc – he now wants it all to stop, so he can get back to the place he felt comfortable, appreciated, valued, heard etc.

Brexit, Trump and the upcoming elections in Austria, Netherlands, Germany, France, Spain and Italy are all demonstrating this common thread. It doesn’t mean Mr Silent Majority was bothered one way or the other about leaving the EU, or that he loves Mr Trump, they both just became convenient opportunities at the very time when his long-stretched tolerance was finally starting to reveal the limits of its tensile strength.
Better the ballot-box than bullets, I suppose, so maybe we should be thankful it has stayed this side of violence. . . . . so far.

macheath November 21, 2016 at 1:08 pm

“Trump, to me, represents the voice of ‘todger’ based systems.”

I demand that the BBC sign Anna Raccoon as chief political analyst immediately!

Anna Raccoon November 21, 2016 at 2:17 pm

Ah, you obviously haven’t been following GOD and Jesus chasing the Archbishop round the comments on a five month old post then……http://annaraccoon.co.uk/2016/08/01/no-laughing-matter/comment-page-1/#comment-18205726434461461

Utterly superb…..

David has been totally outclassed while you were all looking the other way!

Carol42 November 21, 2016 at 1:29 pm

I wonder if the people being hysterical over Trumps election realise it was their behaviour and trying to force their PC views on everyone else that got him elected in the first place.

Mr Wray November 22, 2016 at 10:28 am

Well, there are few things that hurt the emotionally ‘gifted’ more than rejection ….

Mr Wray November 22, 2016 at 11:23 am

Curtis’ opus is an interesting insight into the leftist mindset that rules the BBC – but that’s about all. Any discussion that omits the Soviet influence on the Middle East. and Assad in particular, should not be taken too seriously.

Mr Wray November 22, 2016 at 11:25 am

Not sure why this appeared here … should be a top level burble and not a reply to Carol42 …

tdf November 21, 2016 at 2:32 pm

To extend the analogy, HRC and her media allies put herself forward as the rationalist, non-todger based rights candidate, but people saw through her. Trump was more honest and never claimed to be other than a todger-based rights candidate.

JuliaM November 21, 2016 at 2:32 pm

“Planet Earth too. Glorious. An incredible piece of work. A reminder of how simple and uncomplicated life is in the animal kingdom”

If you believe the #specialsnowflakes, full of ‘rape’ and ‘murder’, though!

macheath November 22, 2016 at 7:26 pm

Presumably some opportunist is even now preparing a case for compensation on behalf of impressionable youngsters scarred for life after watching David Attenborough’s Video Nasty.

Anna Raccoon November 22, 2016 at 7:38 pm

I understand the nasty jaguar ate a live caiman for his breakfast and the Daily Mail was deluged with complaints from viewers who had let their children watch a nature programme……viewers were left ‘stunned and disgusted’.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3955208/Purrfect-catch-Viewers-stunned-jaguar-hunts-caiman-river-latest-thrilling-installment-David-Attenborough-s-Planet-Earth-II.html

The Kung Fu Panda failed to put in an appearance….which traumatised further children. They’d been promised a nature programme…

JuliaM November 23, 2016 at 10:31 am

I see they managed to change the name they’d put in block caps from ‘ALIGATOR’ (sic) to ‘Caiman’.

I got the screenshot, though, ‘Mail’…. 😉

Pericles Xanthippou November 22, 2016 at 8:16 pm

Nature red it tooth and claw, what? ΠΞ

Pericles Xanthippou November 22, 2016 at 8:17 pm

‘in tooth and claw’: what hopeless software that it permit not editing!

The Blocked Dwarf November 21, 2016 at 3:35 pm

I admit after you tipped me off to “Hyper-normalisation” (did G actually pass on the message that that was it’s title?), I watched about a 1/3 of it on Youtube…before i felt unworthy of watching it further without upping my IQ with a good night’s sleep…a lot of it went waaaaaaaay over my not so tall nor smart head but what i did take from it was some amazing insights into the news of the 80s and also Roswell *cue XFiles music dah dahd dah daaaah da* Scully, the Todger is out there.

I will at some point find the time and cerebrals to watch it all…I might even splash out on the DVD…oh hang on…what did i just say? SPEND Money? Me? No. I shall haunt the suppliers of piratical wares…then Adam’s work is art and art should be free, dammit!

PS.sorry I missed the opportunity to rip into the Bish …but teaching Granddaughter to sing the German version of the ‘Wheels On The Bus’ was a far better use of my time (and probably theologically more rewarding)….and anyways how could i compete with The Lord God Almighty, Maker Of Heaven And Earth And Like Everything Like Else, Dudes, personally putting in his first appearance in writing since his best seller.

tdf November 21, 2016 at 3:44 pm

The way I see it is that Curtis’s theme, the one he keeps returning to and gnawing away it, is that the motivations of human beings, leaders, mass movements, events throughout history – are far less rational than we like to tell ourselves…or that most of the rest of the socio-cultural-historic media & academic narrative likes to tell us.

Similar themes to John Gray, the philosopher, in his book ‘Straw Dogs’.

Don Cox November 21, 2016 at 8:05 pm

Human motivations are rational from the point of view of each person’s DNA. Survival and reproduction are what matters. Things like wealth and empires are means to that end.

But the big New Thing in humans is that we can store information not only in DNA but in words, pictures, mathematical formulae, etc. Some of the cleverer animals have traditions that can be passed on from one generation to the next (as with a fox teaching her cubs how to hunt), but only we can benefit from the ideas of people long dead.

tdf November 21, 2016 at 8:49 pm

@Don Cox

Hmm. Have me doubts!

tdf November 21, 2016 at 3:46 pm
right_writes November 21, 2016 at 5:49 pm

I guess Mr. Curtis has been mugging up on his Willy the Shake then:

All the world’s a stage,
And all the men and women merely players;
They have their exits and their entrances,
And one man in his time plays many parts,
His acts being seven ages.

Truly Orwellian.

Thanks Anna.

Lisboeta November 21, 2016 at 5:58 pm

I was getting quite frustrated at the listing of TV-worth-watching: BBC won’t let me watch where I live. (Yes, I know there are work-arounds, but can’t be arsed.) My thanks to The Blocked Dwarf for the Youtube route to “Hyper-normalisation” — it pays to read the comments before wasting time! Prior to that, my fruitless search for Adam Curtis had led me to this interesting article:

http://johnpilger.com/articles/a-world-war-has-begun-break-the-silence-

Voters in USA and Europe may’ve twigged that the political elite’s stock-in-trade has been lies and manipulation. Thus far, the knee-jerk reaction seems to be vote for anyone who claims to be anti that elite. But, seriously, are the likes of Trump, Farage, Boris, Corbyn, Le Pen, etc. going to do anything to upset the status quo? They’re all in politics for power. And, no, I don’t know the answer to this conundrum. I wish I did.

Don Cox November 21, 2016 at 8:09 pm

I think the answer is to keep your head down and muddle through as best you can.

And read Shakespeare, as “right-writes” suggests. He understood kings and would-be kings very well.

Micky1 November 21, 2016 at 6:39 pm

Sarkozy lost. I’m not a fan. But always in favour of the lest dangerous one …

Lisboeta November 21, 2016 at 7:46 pm

Anna, you sure do pick ’em! Thank you (and TBD) for the link to Hyper-Normalisation. I haven’t yet seen it through to the end, but I’ll continue tomorrow. Thus far, it’s a very well-wrought and thought-provoking documentary — and, for me, connected many dots. However, I do wonder if it’ll be comprehensible to Millennials?

Pericles Xanthippou November 21, 2016 at 9:07 pm

As so often, Carol42 encapsulates the explanation for this electoral phenomenon: “It was their … trying to force their PC views on everyone else that got him elected in the first place.”

The irony of the situation is that the advocates of universal equal suffrage — ‘the sneering class’ — are the ones against whom those whose suffrage they have for about two centuries been campaigning have turned. It’s hilarious. It’s like Labour’s importing a client state in to Scotland to displace the Conservative voters … only to have that body of voters turn against it and elect the S.N.P.: you couldn’t make it up (as they say).

In a room full of my friends — all right, 4B, settle down: a fairly small room — most of whom have a privileged background and could be assumed part of that sneering class — I am likely the only one against universal equal suffrage. Yet I’m almost certainly the only one siding with the common man and taking his part against the ‘élites’.

What, nevertheless, has astounded me is that some-one can have so insulted and alienated those on whose support he relied and yet not only won the White House but also carried the down-ballot with him (the G.O.P. majorities in both chambers of the Congress having survived)! Unglaublich!

ΠΞ

Mrs Grimble November 22, 2016 at 10:47 am

“I am likely the only one against universal equal suffrage.”
Sorry Pericles, but I wouldn’t want YOU deciding on my right to vote. Nothing personal, I’m sure you’re a nice bloke and everything. It’s just that I’d object to anyone at all telling me I couldn’t vote. That’s the big flaw in anybody’s “what I’d do if I woz in charge”-type plan; your thinking is guided by your knowledge, life experiences, upbringing, unconscious bias, even your physiology and what you had for breakfast. So I’m all for universal rights, and laws that apply to everyone.

The Blocked Dwarf November 22, 2016 at 12:12 pm

“Vimes had once discussed the Ephebian idea of ‘democracy’ with Carrot, and had been rather interested in the idea that everyone had a vote until he found out that while he, Vimes, would have a vote, there was no way in the rules that anyone could prevent Nobby Nobbs from having one as well. Vimes could see the flaw there straight away.”

-T.Prachett

Pericles Xanthippou November 22, 2016 at 12:48 pm

No advocate of universal equal suffrage can logically justify complaining about its consequences; that, however, is what we now see when ever the sneering class disagrees with the outcome of an election or a plebiscite.

Extension of the franchise is irreversible.

ΠΞ

DP November 23, 2016 at 1:01 am

Dear Mrs Grimble

For unequal universal suffrage, read In The Wet by Nevil Shute. One man, up to seven votes: you earn the rest.

Trigger warning for those of a nervous disposition, it contains the ‘N’* word.

DP

* Nigger, for those who aren’t.

tdf November 23, 2016 at 2:07 am

@DP

I guess I am not of a nervous disposition, as I distinctly recall reading ‘Ten Little Niggers’ by Agatha Christie (it must have been a relatively early edition, dating from the prehistoric era, before civilised modern history commenced, and the ritual book bannings got properly started). 🙂

Interestingly, the Holy Prophet the late John Lennon of Liverpool (blessings be upon him) once issued a song which featured the ‘N’ word in its title.

More recently, the Anointed Successor of the Holy Prophet, a certain Paul Hewson OBE (honorary) of Dublin (blessings be upon him) has used the dreaded ‘N’ word in live concerts as recently as 2001, if I’m not mistaken.

Funny, isn’t it, what some people are permitted to get way with, once they are deemed part of the team……

macheath November 23, 2016 at 8:33 am

Good to see someone else reads Nevil Shute – our current society’s inability to judge the past in context means that his books, once widely read in schools, appear to have sunk without trace.

Having written a post on ‘In The Wet’ some time ago, I happen to have handy a cut-and-paste quote from one of the characters …

‘I doubt if history can show, in any country at any time, a more greedy form of government than democracy as practised in Great Britain in the last fifty years. The common man has held the voting power, and the common man has voted consistently to increase his own standard of living, regardless of the long-term interests of his children, regardless of the wider interests of his country.’

… as well as a summary of the system:

Everyone, has a basic vote, university graduates get a second one and the third is for working abroad for at least two years. Another vote is for raising two children to the age of fourteen – though only for couples who stay married. There’s an extra vote for significant business achievement and another for holding a paid position in the church. And finally there’s the Royal Charter – an extra vote to reward exceptional military service.

Pericles Xanthippou November 21, 2016 at 9:08 pm

the moon is a ballon November 21, 2016 at 11:44 pm

The notion that the Trumpster has stumbled idiotically into the White House must be tempered by the thought that he lost the popular vote – yes, probably didn’t really but of the votes reported as counted, he did – but used his minority to such great efficiency that he carried the swing states with considerable accuracy, and won the bauble. He may thus be considered to have more tactical political acument than his recent opponent. Now there is a thought to think about. Four more years? I would say if he wants them, they are on the way.

Mr Wray November 22, 2016 at 12:37 pm

That’s the problem with federations though isn’t it? The total number of votes cast is irrelevant.

Supporters of a more united EU might want to ponder that.

windsock November 22, 2016 at 7:42 am

“We are all citizens of a global world.”

Theresa May would like a word with you….

robbo November 22, 2016 at 9:58 am

Requiem for the American Dream (2015) worth watching ,by whatever means!

robbo November 22, 2016 at 9:59 am

Noam Chomsky

windsock November 22, 2016 at 10:40 am

For what it’s worth:

to the uninformed, comparing outsiders to bacteria and viruses is one step away from Katie Hopkins description of refugees fleeing wasr as cockroaches. Is that really the company you want to keep?

But then again… some viruses are part of our genome. Scientists are still unsure why – do they gibe us qualities we might not otherwise have? Do they help protect us against other nasties? And you would not be able to process food without a walloping number and variety of bacteria in you gut. To take that analogy further, maybe outsiders (“viruses/bacteria”) are useful to the host body in a variety of ways and we should not be dismissive of the part they play in keeping us healthy.

I’d also ask why we are so proud of our intellect and rationale if we are not going to use these miracles, which we have developed as random emergent properties of evolution? If we are going to act as instinctive animals, we might as well have stayed as semi-sentient morons on the plains of Africa as lesser developed primates.

“We don’t bleed when we don’t fight” – The National, 2010

Regarding the election of the Trumposaurus, I believe lyrics from The Tubes’ “What Do You Want From Life” , 1975 might have the answer

…”What do you want from life
Someone to love
and somebody that you can trust
What do you want from life
To try and be happy
while you do the nasty things you must

Well, you can’t have that, but if you’re an American citizen you are entitled to:
a heated kidney shaped pool,
a microwave oven–don’t watch the food cook,
a Dyna-Gym–I’ll personally demonstrate it in the privacy of your own home,
a king-size Titanic unsinkable Molly Brown waterbed with polybendum,
a foolproof plan and an airtight alibi,
real simulated Indian jewelry,
a Gucci shoetree,
a year’s supply of antibiotics,
a personally autographed picture of Randy Mantooth
and Bob Dylan’s new unlisted phone number,
a beautifully restored 3rd Reich swizzle stick,
Rosemary’s baby,
a dream date in kneepads with Paul Williams,
a new Matador, a new mastodon,
a Maverick, a Mustang, a Montego,
a Merc Montclair, a Mark IV, a meteor,
a Mercedes, an MG, or a Malibu,
a Mort Moriarty, a Maserati, a Mac truck,
a Mazda, a new Monza, or a moped,
a Winnebago–Hell, a herd of Winnebago’s we’re giving ’em away,
or how about a McCulloch chainsaw,
a Las Vegas wedding,
a Mexican divorce,
a solid gold Kama Sutra coffee pot,
or a baby’s arm holding an apple?”

windsock November 22, 2016 at 10:43 am

Sorry for the typos – brainache.

Giles2008 November 22, 2016 at 11:26 am

Always liked the line in the version on “What Do You Want From Live ”

“A real simulated Indian Beaver Coat. They dont have Beavers in India so they have to simulate them”

The Tubes are only band ever to be officially banned from Portsmouth Guildhall. They were booked in on Remembrance Sunday 1977.
The then Tory dominated council took a coach to see them at another venue.
They all oved the show but decided it wasnt for Pompey.
The ban was eventually lifted a couple of years later.

windsock November 22, 2016 at 11:39 am

How nice to think that elitists didn’t exist in 1975… “We liked it, but we’re not sure you would get it”…

Anna Raccoon November 22, 2016 at 4:35 pm

“to the uninformed, comparing outsiders to bacteria and viruses is one step away from Katie Hopkins description of refugees fleeing war as cockroaches. Is that really the company you want to keep?”

Only if you start from the assumption that I am referring to a white English body and those coming over the palisades as being dark skinned refugees…..if you start from the assumption that the body concerned is a nomadic Yemeni, and those coming over the palisades – for the oil – are true white marines with heavy artillery – then you end up at the same result, without any racist connotations.

That is half the trouble, everyone is too eager to portray the problem as ‘racist’. It’s not the colour of skin that is important – its the fact that global citizenship removes everyone’s ability to man the palisades.

We need a new system.

windsock November 22, 2016 at 5:07 pm

I agree with your point, but that initial comment of the “delightful” Ms Hopkins was made without (I’m guessing) any knowledge of where cockroach had derived it’s horrible human connotations – the genocide in Rwanda.

This is how Rwandan local radio incited the Hutus to violence (an act against international law):
‘You have to kill the Tutsis, they’re cockroaches.’
‘All those who are listening, rise so we can fight for our Rwanda. Fight with the weapons you have at your disposal: those who have arrows, with arrows, those who have spears, with spears. We must all fight.’
‘We must all fight the Tutsis. We must finish with them, exterminate them, sweep them from the whole country. There must be no refuge for them.’
‘They must be exterminated. There is no other way.’

{If Ms Hopkins knew this, then she falls further in my view of her – not that she would care.)

The point I am making is that such language from whatever point of view de-humanises “the other” – making conflict easier and the ability to see each other as humans harder. When a whiteskin is invading your country for oil, you fight them on that basis. When a refugee asks for shelter to escape war, it’s different. As far as I know, nobody is invading USA (well, not since 1492).

Anna Raccoon November 22, 2016 at 5:24 pm

But the ‘other’ is exactly what todger based rights demands. A clearly delineated ‘other’.

We are currently being encouraged to think of the Russians as ‘other’ – why? Last week, or last month, it was the chinese….

tdf November 22, 2016 at 5:29 pm

^ We have always been at war with Eastasia!

windsock November 22, 2016 at 5:31 pm

“Trump, to me, represents the voice of ‘todger’ based systems. Clinton represented the voice of ‘intellectual’ systems. They are both perfectly valid methods of dealing with the world.”

I would humbly suggest your last reply implies you are not wholly convinced the “todger” based system is “perfectly valid”.

Sean Coleman November 22, 2016 at 9:58 pm

This kind of dehumanizing language is something that worried Richard Webster, as far as I recall. There was a big story a couple of years ago here in Ireland when RTE’s ‘Primetime Investigates’ filmed secretly inside a home for adults with special needs down the country (in Roscommon as it happens: it is always Roscommon) and recorded a few of the staff treating their charges roughly. A Govt minister, Leo Varadker (Justice I think, but I am past caring) spoke later about ‘pure evil’. He came out as gay and is surely ‘caring’ and ‘pluralist’, so maybe this is why nobody batted an eyelid. I don’t think they would if anyone had said it. Primetime were the same outfit who exposed a Galway parish priest as an abuser in Africa. The journalist said she couldn’t stomach the ‘hypocrisy’ of him preaching from the pulpit after what he had done. He offered to do a paternity test to prove he wasn’t the child’s father but Primetime didn’t need it. Of course, it turned out their story was untrue.

Katie Hopkins appeared on the main weekend chat show here a week ago. A petition to ban her had gathered thousands of signatures. I watched it because I had seen her winding up the audience before and it was hilarious. This time it turned out she was there to defend Trump and the presenter and another guest opposed her and much of the audience. She faced them all down and won clearly on points. I heard a priest on the radio talking about Ruanda a while ago. He said that it was so strange because they are one people with a common language. If so, how come they are two distinct peoples all the same, with the minority Tutsis traditionally the ruling elite? Crotty explained thirty years ago that the Tutsis were pastoralist conquerors, from the Sub-Sahelian region to the north and that their diet was almost entirely dairy. The Hutus, he wrote, were lactose intolerant crop growers. I was also listening to some foreign news magazine programme on some European radio station or other which involved an interview with a young Tutsi woman. There wasn’t much new when she let slip, in passing, that the Tutsis have an elaborate taboo system surrounding marriage, which seems to be directed against marrying Hutus.

Somehow this jogs my memory about something I read once about Algeria. The article argued that the locals were on good, perhaps even friendly, terms with the French settlers but it turns out that there was bitter resentment boilng below and, when they got the chance, they murdered them.

The point I am making is that nobody seems to be exempt in all this.

windsock November 23, 2016 at 7:17 am

Sean Coleman: you make my point for me. The history of Rwanda/Burundi Hutu/Tutsi is long and complicated… the Wikipedia history completely lost me. However I remember reading (I’m sorry, I don’t have the source) that the Hutu/Tutsi were indeed one people, but were segregated by Belgian colonialists who separated them along lines of physical appearance. The history of the whole area is dirty.

But to extrapolate… all humans really are one people. We have evolved from the same groups of hunter gatherers and become globally separated due to migration abilities. Culture and language diverged and adapted to new surroundings. Now we are converging, there is no more room (as yet) to diverge. No once can dispute Africans built the pyramids, but they are as much a part of European history as the Colosseum. Algebra and Algorithms are essential to our lives today but they are Arabic (the clue is in the name). Global trade is inevitable.

But divide and rule is the way we are kept in place. Don’t want the proles to know we have as much in common as Bangladeshi workers in Dhaka making underpants for Primark or whatever. Pit us against each other and the world will always belong to the only tribe that is truly other: the greedy.

As for Katie Hopkins, she’s a pantomime villain who has made her name by being a wicked witch of the west. She knows controversy sells and as such, she is one of the greedy and serves the purposes of the greedy.

Anna Raccoon November 23, 2016 at 8:18 am

Eloquent, erudite, and evincive.

Or ‘nail on head’ as some would say.

*applause*

windsock November 23, 2016 at 8:46 am

Thank you, Ma’am.

Mr Wray November 23, 2016 at 10:19 am

I suppose that’s a very laudable and virtuous position but I’m not entirely sure it is factually a correct one.

The Hutus and the Tutsis were already separate cultural and racial groups ( despite being both Bantu, apparently) long before the Belgians showed up. I don’t remember seeing any real evidence’ just anti-colonial propaganda, of the Belgians separating the groups on ‘physical appearance’ and if they are both the same racial group I’m not sure how that would be done. They certainly did this on cultural grounds after WW1 but that’s not quite the same thing.

As to us being all one people, well no, we are not, depending on what your definition of ‘people’ is of course. We are all one species but the variations that were introduced by intermingling with Neanderthals and other ‘species’ created varieties of humans that are distinctly different. The point is do these differences matter? Physically the answer is no as we, whether Hutu, Tutsi, Olnec or Walloon can all successfully interbreed – which makes us one species at the very basic level.

Culturally we are very different between groups and yet depressingly similar and that is what causes most of the problems between us. If another man insists on bashing his egg at the wrong end how on earth are we supposed to get along?

Now if we were all one culture would we still get on? No, probably not. Should it stop us trying? No, probably not.

As to divide and rule, then yes, that is what Multiculturalism is all about – getting us at each others throats so that the ‘elite’ can oppress us all equally – whilst filling their pockets of course.

Katie Hopkins is indeed a paid agitator – doesn’t make her completely wrong every time mind – and we, as a society need such people who will say things we don’t want to hear. How else will we be sure we are right?

leady November 23, 2016 at 11:36 am

Ironically, whilst evil (or ruthless if you prefer), Katie’s suggestion of sinking a few of the boats would have saved thousands of lives by now

tdf November 23, 2016 at 2:16 am

@windsock

I’m not familiar with either The Tubes or the National, but this early Shamen song (though it’s not representative of the more dancey oriented stuff most people of my generation knew them for) came to mind recently:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsRm_4zTSUg

dearieme November 22, 2016 at 12:11 pm

Do watch the Weiner thing. Very instructive.

dearieme November 22, 2016 at 12:14 pm

I’ve just tried to watch the Curtis thing. It kept flashing lights at me until I thought “Fuck off”. So I did.

Fat Steve November 22, 2016 at 12:38 pm

I’ve been watching Adam Curtis’ latest offering. I confess he wasn’t my favourite person for a long time.
Ho! Ho! Ho! I have to chuckle. The two public commentators who can evoke the Society in which I spent the early years of my life are you and Curtis….don’t agree with many of the conclusions each of you reach but you in prose and he in film have that ability to remind me (an inadequately strong word to capture what is nearer to reliving) of the external forces at work in my life when younger.
I particularly commend ‘The Mayfair Set’ for those who wish to be reminded of the zeitgeist of the financial world of the 70s and 80s and its aspirations both of the individuals who formed it and the politicians who seemed to give them free rein for whatever reason.

Major Bonkers November 22, 2016 at 2:25 pm

Well, after some three weeks-worth of enforced silence from Mrs. Raccoon, she’s certainly back with a bang!

After the extraordinary description of her time being treated by the Norfolk and Norwich Hospital, we have some equally eye-popping autobiographical details. And just when it can’t get any more exciting, Archbishop Jonathan Blake, descended last night from on high to add some thoughts to a previous article – http://annaraccoon.co.uk/2016/08/01/no-laughing-matter/ – which has provoked some joker to post his own comments under the handle ‘God’ and ‘Jesus’. We don’t seem yet to have heard from the Prince of Darkness or any other members of ‘th’ infernal crew’ – not that I want to give anyone any ideas – but comments from Beelzebub, Belial, Mannon, Mulciber, Moloch, Tony Blair, Sin, and Death are all eagerly awaited.

Taking myself idly off to look at the good Archbishop’s blog this morning, I notice that he has not yet got around to posting on the subject of this outrage to his holy person, but has instead posted some photographs of himself. One of these appears to show him officiating at the wedding of what are either sisters – a double marriage – or – ahem – a same-sex marriage between two persons of the female persuasion.

Well, I am afraid that I can never let an opportunity, such as this, pass without commenting. It is clear, unfortunately, that these two ladies have been photographed in England, for they are not of the ‘Tall and tan and young and lovely’ variety; they are not, alas, of the sort that one (were one so inclined) would wish to spy on on their wedding night. This is a great pity, and if we had a Prime Minister as enthusiastic and energetic as Donald J. Trump, he would sort out this problem for us.

Yes, I have to admit – and I say it proudly! – that I AM A TODGER. When I work up on the morning of November 9h., and listened to the ‘Today’ programme, and it became ever-clearer that Donald Trump had won the election, I couldn’t help myself feeling hilarious as I listened to the aghast pundits droning on. Just like after the Brexit referendum, everything that the bien pensant pointy-heads had solemnly warned us could and would never happen, happened. In the days that followed, Polly Toynbee, Adriana Huffington-Puffington, and Tina Brown all flittered across my consciousness like a gang of wailing Cassandras. How my spirits soared! Yes, O boring left-wing ‘progressive’ drones, your prophecies have failed, your prognostications of doom have been rejected; you thought you were leading public opinion, and discovered, too late, that you were merely basking in each other’s acclaim, ignored by the little people, the stupid, mundane, people who aren’t capable of thinking sensibly for themselves and need to be told what to think by such enlighten ones as yourselves. How I laughed! And my hilarity will continue, because all these savants haven’t drawn the obvious conclusion – that they were wrong, that they are not listened to by the untermensch, who are yearning to be told what to think by such enlightened ones as Polly – they still draw the conclusion that they are right, and the working class has been lulled into a sense of false consciousness by its unhealthy interests in the boobs of page 3, subconsciously imparting the opinions of Rupert Murdoch while they gaze in awe on these magnificent promontories.

Fortunately,

Pericles Xanthippou November 22, 2016 at 3:36 pm

Nice one, Major. ΠΞ

Anna Raccoon November 22, 2016 at 4:49 pm

Superb, as always Major Bonkers.

As for ‘Taking myself idly off to look at the good Archbishop’s blog this morning, I notice that he has not yet got around to posting on the subject’…..

Why would he? No one ever reads his bloody blog….why not come on here and have a ready made audience of thousands? I’m not thick you know – I understand only too well why he was here…..!

Anna Raccoon November 22, 2016 at 5:22 pm

though presumably in a period of remission?

No Liz, I am not in a period of remission. I wish I was. The cancer spreads every week.

Sean Coleman November 22, 2016 at 10:01 pm

No. The reason the vote went the wrong way both in Britain and America was because of a communication failure on the part of their respected political establishments. They need to reach out to the ordinary voter.

Liz Kaspar November 22, 2016 at 2:33 pm

Hmm, “todger-based rights”, never heard that one before. Is that a new synonym for “demagogue” or “demagoguery”, I wonder? 😏

Really the fact of the matter is that neither of the two “mass” parties in the US support or are of much help to the working class; and this has been the case, also in Europe, for quite some time.

If *neither* of the parties are much good to you, then you vote for the one fielding the “outsider” candidate, especially if he makes promises about “bringing back jobs” and so on.

(Don’t forget that Bernie Sanders would probably have won over Trump, if the Democrats’ NEC or whatever it was called would have allowed him to the nomination. Polls were previously showing that he had a better rating than Trump, and of course, Hillary.

Blacks did not come out en masse in this election as they did especially in 2008, as they hoped Obama would do something to help blacks and poor people because he is Black: this turned out not to be the case.

Hispanics did I think boost Hillary’s numbers at the last minute because of their fear of Trump’s threats; however in states like Florida not even this proved to be unequivocally the case.

And one thing everybody here has to remember is that US elections typically turn on very small margins; and also typically in recent times only about half the electorate vote. This is because NEITHER of the “majority” parties actually cater for the REAL MAJORITY of the population: as a nice old – radical – BBC 2 commentator/documentary-maker explained as he was interviewing Americans in 2004; can’t remember his name.)

So: Trump won as the supposed “outsider” candidate. Not enough for the New Right to have gone into spasms if self-congratulation, as it seems to have done throughout Europe.

That guy and his position reminds me of nothing so much at the moment as a snake-oil salesman. He is at the point where he HAS to prove to the townsfolk that the snake-oil works, at least in some cases: or they WILL run him out of town, even if it takes four years! 👿

(A note here on “snake oil”. I’m kinda an armchair naturopath so I know about such things! The “oil” of some snakes, in particular I believe the Chinese sea snake, is indeed a miracle cure for conditions such as arthritis. It was the Chinese “coolies” who brought such knowledge to America and recommended it to their fellow aching railway-line workers. Rattlesnake flesh (not the venom!) I have heard has similar effects; Native Americans would have known that. So, in my analysis, “snake 🐍 oil salesmen” historically were enterprising if mountebankish white men, who opportunistically pinched knowledge and old recipes from more disadvantaged groups, such as Chinese, “Red Indians”, and of course the old women herbalists 🌿 of their own culture who a century or two previously they would have been burning as witches 🔥 and so the 19th century businessmen took this old knowledge and maybe added a bit of contemporary chemistry to it and of course knowledge of pasteurisation and bottling; that would have been for the bottled “patent medicines”, which have the most fantastic labels btw! 😃 That of course would have been the more professional end of the scale; the traveling “medicine salesman” might have been selling any old kind of stewed muck off the back of a horse-drawn van: you’ve all seen Little Big Man! 😊😝

Incidentally this knowledge/premise would make a very good book; and I’d probably better go away and research/write it: nobody pinch my idea now! 😃)

But the point I am really making by explaining the saying “snake oil salesman” is really that the historical “snake oil” *sometimes worked*; if the mountebank cooked up the recipe he got from the old Indian right – that is!! 😊

So, with Trump: I don’t think he’s been listening to any old Indians (of any continent); nor herb-women; he’s too proud (and “todger-based”) to listen to any of those even to purloin from; I feel he has been listening to some *far* more dubious people, unfortunately! 😞

But he’s still now in the position where he has to prove to the majority that his snake-oil (“todger-oil”? That’s a new pun! 😄) WORKS; or has some good effects, for the majority of his “patients”, not just his mates!

Now we really ARE at the point of uncertainty here! *I* don’t know how things will turn out! I was thinking, that *failing socialism*, maybe a bit of old-fashioned, unfashionable protectionism and “trade barriers” *are* what are needed, to “save the West”; at least to make Asia realise that we’re serious about manufacturing again and they can’t have it all!

But conventional economists stress how all this will make things more expensive for “the consumer in the street”; Radio 4 reports are full of how everything has gone up since Brexit!

Well Trump is at the moment proclaiming how he will achieve “fair bilateral deals” with Asian nations and so on; so let’s see how it goes… Is there something the mountebank knows that the likes of Paul Krugman don’t?

His idea for Farage as ambassador was stupid though! He obviously doesn’t know that in the UK, diplomats are professionals and not political or contributor cronies like the likes of Mel Sembler! 😏

**Trump doesn’t know a lot. Let’s see how much he learns – while still managing to satisfy his blue-collar base!!**

(One thing that has recently puzzled me is this though: Trump is obviously not religious; so why does he go for the rubbish the religious right buy into? The sexism, the homophobia – and yes, the racism? You could be protectionist and nationalist without reviving all the stale rubbish. America doesn’t really have a (Muslim) “immigrant problem”. Is it to woo more votes from a now-declining sector – I mean, the Christians? Why isn’t Trump more of a libertarian? Is it because the Libertarian Party don’t give a rat’s ass about the working classes either? (I mean, Ron Paul woulda repealed Obamacare and ALL healthcare programs! Trump’s changed his mind already and is keeping Obamacare we are told..)

So. Why does Trump believe all that monotheistically-inspired nonsense about abortion and so on?

For if he tries to pass policies like that he’ll have at LEAST half the population mad at him!)

Wait and see…

Pericles Xanthippou November 22, 2016 at 3:39 pm

I think Mr. Obama tried to help the blacks, Liz. He seems to have thought sending representatives of his administration to the funerals of young black thugs killed in the course or furtherance of crime would help; somehow it never occurred to him that a speech from a black President of the United States extolling the virtues of not breaking the law might be persuasive!

The Hispanic vote was much divided: although cast by the pundits as sympathetic, many are hostile to the illegals that infiltrate the southern border and then expect to by-pass the formalities they themselves have had to go though.

On abortion, by the way: a president on his own couldn’t reverse the effect of Roe v. Wade and it’s highly unlikely that the Congress would. Even appointment to the Supreme Court of a ‘conservative’ judge to replace Scalia, J., is unlikely to lead to its reversing, or even modifying, that decision.

ΠΞ

tdf November 22, 2016 at 5:08 pm

Not to be a pedant but Ron Paul didn’t run for the Libertarian party when he ran in 2008 and 2012. Granted, a lot of his beliefs are classically libertarian.

Liz Kaspar November 22, 2016 at 3:07 pm

Hmm. I wonder *what* is the point of this site’s comments requesting “website details”, if, when duly filled in, it does *not* result in a published post in which, *if* one clicks on the published commenter’s name/icon, will result in a link taking one to that site?

I’ve tried it on everybody’s including my own: doesn’t work!

I don’t see the point of the system demanding the details if they don’t *link* anywhere. Even on the “desktop” site, which I believe I am on…

Anyway. Here is my Twitter: http://twitter.com/oneoflokis. You can all go there and follow it if you want! 😀

The Blocked Dwarf November 22, 2016 at 3:23 pm

Liz, if i click on your blue highlighted name it links me to to your twatter.

The Blocked Dwarf November 22, 2016 at 3:27 pm

…and i wish it hadn’t….hedge witch ? Pagan? You ever greet me with a ‘blessed be’ you’ll find your “aboon” stick where the sun don’t shine. 😛

Fat Steve November 22, 2016 at 4:41 pm

@Liz Kaspar Is it because the Libertarian Party don’t give a rat’s ass about the working classes either?
Gosh Liz its usually Anna and occasionally Windsock here that cause me to question some long held personal views but you make a great point at least about me personally.ARRRRGGGHHH ! Time for some self reflection

Lisboeta November 22, 2016 at 6:19 pm

I wonder *what* is the point of this site’s comments requesting “website details”, if, when duly filled in, it does *not* result … in a link taking one to that site?

I suppose it depends on what you think is the point of commenting on someone else’s blog. If it was free publicity for yourself, you got that.

Anna Raccoon November 22, 2016 at 7:11 pm

Well now, if you had filled in the name of your web site – then the link would have taken you there – but in fact every single time you have commented, you have used the web address of your twitter feed, so the link takes readers there instead…..

It’s not rocket science, as the computer experts are wont to say -‘Rubbish in, rubbish out’.

Doh!

Fat Steve November 23, 2016 at 10:09 am

If *neither* of the parties are much good to you, then you vote for the one fielding the “outsider” candidate, especially if he makes promises about “bringing back jobs” and so on.

(Don’t forget that Bernie Sanders would probably have won over Trump, if the Democrats’ NEC or whatever it was called would have allowed him to the nomination. Polls were previously showing that he had a better rating than Trump, and of course, Hillary.

Blacks did not come out en masse in this election as they did especially in 2008, as they hoped Obama would do something to help blacks and poor people because he is Black: this turned out not to be the case.

Hispanics did I think boost Hillary’s numbers at the last minute because of their fear of Trump’s threats; however in states like Florida not even this proved to be unequivocally the case.

And one thing everybody here has to remember is that US elections typically turn on very small margins; and also typically in recent times only about half the electorate vote. This is because NEITHER of the “majority” parties actually cater for the REAL MAJORITY of the population: as a nice old – radical – BBC 2 commentator/documentary-maker explained as he was interviewing Americans in 2004; can’t remember his name.)

So: Trump won as the supposed “outsider” candidate. Not enough for the New Right to have gone into spasms if self-congratulation, as it seems to have done throughout Europe.

That guy and his position reminds me of nothing so much at the moment as a snake-oil salesman. He is at the point where he HAS to prove to the townsfolk that the snake-oil works, at least in some cases: or they WILL run him out of town, even if it takes four years! 👿

(A note here on “snake oil”. I’m kinda an armchair naturopath so I know about such things! The “oil” of some snakes, in particular I believe the Chinese sea snake, is indeed a miracle cure for conditions such as arthritis. It was the Chinese “coolies” who brought such knowledge to America and recommended it to their fellow aching railway-line workers. Rattlesnake flesh (not the venom!) I have heard has similar effects; Native Americans would have known that. So, in my analysis, “snake 🐍 oil salesmen” historically were enterprising if mountebankish white men, who opportunistically pinched knowledge and old recipes from more disadvantaged groups, such as Chinese, “Red Indians”, and of course the old women herbalists 🌿 of their own culture who a century or two previously they would have been burning as witches 🔥 and so the 19th century businessmen took this old knowledge and maybe added a bit of contemporary chemistry to it and of course knowledge of pasteurisation and bottling; that would have been for the bottled “patent medicines”, which have the most fantastic labels btw! 😃 That of course would have been the more professional end of the scale; the traveling “medicine salesman” might have been selling any old kind of stewed muck off the back of a horse-drawn van: you’ve all seen Little Big Man!

Edited by Anna to add: This is not the Fat Steve we are used to – but another one….confusing, but there you go! At least there is only one GOD on the go in the other thread…..

Fat Steve November 23, 2016 at 11:00 am

Not me in the post above Anna

Mrs Grimble November 23, 2016 at 10:13 am

Brexit, Trump and the upcoming elections in Austria, Netherlands, Germany, France, Spain and Italy are all demonstrating this common thread. It doesn’t mean Mr Silent Majority was bothered one way or the other about leaving the EU, or that he loves Mr Trump, they both just became convenient opportunities at the very time when his long-stretched tolerance was finally starting to reveal the limits of its tensile strength.
Better the ballot-box than bullets, I suppose, so maybe we should be thankful it has stayed this side of violence. . . . . so far.

Cloudberry November 23, 2016 at 11:27 am

Better the ballot-box than bullets, I suppose, so maybe we should be thankful it has stayed this side of violence. . . . . so far.
There was the shooting and stabbing to death of an MP, said to be a political act.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-37978582

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